Monday, December 3, 2018

The UFO Contacts Of Trevor James Constable

In reviewing and organizing documents from the BSRF archive at AFU I have now completed the file on Trevor James Constable (1925-2016), for many years associated with Borderland Sciences Research Foundation.  I have scanned articles, interviews, booklets, photos and assorted documents including the correspondence file consisting of 206 letters, written between 1959-1997. By studying these letters and rereading the books and articles written by Trevor James Constable I have tried to solve some of the riddles regarding his UFO contact experiences in 1956-1957.


A internet search for Trevor James Constable resulted in 9,040 links, mostly references to his two books, They Live in the Sky (1958), The Cosmic Pulse of Life (1976), etheric weather engineering and infrared photography of ”sky critters”,  invisible amoeba-like elementals often confused with UFOs. What many readers of these sites may not be aware of is that all this activity was originally inspired by and the result of Constable´s contact with space people. Few investigators have made an in-depth study of these decisive UFO experiences. Neither is there much information on his contacts in Thomas Brown´s extensive interview Loom of the Future, the Weather Engineering Work of Trevor James Constable (1994). Thomas Brown was director of Borderland Sciences Research Foundation 1985-1995.



Trevor James Constable was born 1925 in Wellington, New Zealand. As a lincenced Radio Electronics Officer he served in the Merchant Marine of New Zealand, Great Britain and for 26 years in the U.S. Merchant Marine. After emigrating to the United States in 1952 Constable became interested in the UFO enigma and read the classic books of Keyhoe, Wilkins, Jessup, Adamski and others. Fascinated by the prospect of contact with UFO intelligences he visited George Van Tassel who gave Constable instructions on how to contact space people and also warned of possible ill effects. Being an adventurous and practical man he did not heed this cautioning and spent several months in trying to open up communication with space people.

Experimenting with channeling without a competent teacher is not recommended. Constable learned this the hard way: ”… I did develop extreme sensitivity to telepathic impulses. I found that I can barely control the situation. In daily business life in the aviation industry, I would hear a sentence psychically before a client ever spoke the words physically. When the telephone rang, I knew who was calling before I picked up the instrument. A constant struggle soon ensued for control of my physical vehicle – myself against unseen interloopers…My difficulties were extreme, and I felt that I was slowly losing my battle to retain my mastery of myself. I bitterly regretted ever having meddled in UFO communications. The ”intelligences” into whose realm I had broken poured confusing rubbish into me.” (The Cosmic Pulse of Life, p. 48.)

I have not been able to determine what year Constable met Van Tassel. Possibly 1955, as the first result of the telepathic contact experiments were published (under the pen name Trevor James) in two small booklets, Spacemen – Friends and Foes, 1956. Publisher was Franklin Thomas, who together with his wife Dorothy, operated the New Age Publishing Company in Los Angeles between 1948 and 1959. They issued many of the classic 1950s contactee books. The couple also ran a small bookshop on Glendale Boulevard, where Thomas used to lecture on Friday evenings on various occult and new age topics. Thomas was an experienced esotericist who taught Constable how to control his psychic faculties: ”I had learned, through Franklin Thomas, how to sort out the otherworld telepaths. Those intelligences which would seek to communicate without controlling had what seemed to be valid information.” (The Cosmic Pulse of Life, p. 50). It was also Franklin Thomas who inspired Constable to study the teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Anthroposophy from now on became the guiding light and worldview that he always would relate too and promote for the rest of his life.

Trevor James Constable 1961. Photographed by Kerstin Bäfverstedt, former Swedish Regional Director of BSRF

In 1956-1957 Constable, together with his friend and co-worker James Woods, made many trips to various places in the Mojave desert in California, combining channeling sessions with infrared photography. The idea to initiate such a photo project was originally presented by a well known spaceman in contactee circles, Ashtar: ” ”The first and most essential ”wrinkle” we learned was the use of infrared film, which permits photography of invisible light or radiation. We obtained this information from Ashtar, whose early suggestion it was, before I terminated contact with him many months ago.” (The Live in the Sky, p. 218). The last sentence is certainly intriguing. Why would Constable ”terminate” his contact with Ashtar and other space people when he regarded these messages as valid and emanating from benevolent alien visitors? In all the documents I have studied there is no explanation for this decision.

The first individual to claim contact with Ashtar and other space people, with rather odd-sounding names, was George Van Tassel in 1952. According to Van Tassel these messages were not received with ordinary telepathy or channeling but relayed via an instrument referred to as adiphone. The information delivered to Van Tassel is of a very mixed quality as anyone reading his book I Rode a Flying Saucer can ascertain. But he also had physical contacts with space people and in my view was part of a psychological-sociological test made by a group of benevolent alien visitors in the 1950s. According to journalist and esotericist Paul M. Vest the space people used physical contacts, ham radio, clairvoyance and clairaudience in this operation.


The adiphon instrument mentioned by George Van Tassel was also used in transmissions to Constable: ”One of the most fascinating experiences occurs when the transmission is transferred from one space base to another. The beam can be felt to switch off, and then on again as the new entity appears. On one occasion Ashtar has brought his wife to this ”thought microphone” the adiphon and had her communicate with me.” (Letter from Trevor James Constable to Meade Layne, Round Robin, vol 12, no 4, Nov-Dec 1956, p. 7.)

The messages received by Constable are interesting and generally in accordance with The Esoteric Tradition and the teachings of the Inner Circle, channeled by deep trance medium Mark Probert. Ashtar refer to his homeplanet as the etheric Venus. Here a few quotes from They Live in the Sky:

”Question:  ”From your statement that you are etheric, am I to presume that you have evolved beyond the stage of a physical and astral body”?
Ashtar: ”Correct. I do not possess a physical casing of the dense type such as yours. I am definitely etheric, as are all people on other planets in this solar system.” (p. 39-40).

Question: ”When you become visible to our eyes does the person who sees you know that you are a ”converted etheric?”
Ashtar: ”Not as a rule. The conversion can be made so completely that a physical person encountering us thinks that we, too, are physical.” (p. 41)

Question: When you speak of making etheric matter visible at will, is this the way that George Adamski was permitted to take his now famous photographs?
Ashtar: ”Yes, Ether ships as they have been called on your surface, have been made visible to and for certain individuals, selected, upon your surface of whom Adamski is one. Normally the ships are part of the invisible world.” (p.46-47).

Question: Why has the information you have given me been passed through me? That is, why have I been used as the channel for it?
Ashtar: ”This information is well known in occult circles upon your planet, and has been known for many thousands of years by those you term initiates and adepts.” (p. 170).

Ashtar warned Constable that there were scores of impersonators and deceivers in the invisible worlds who used his name: ”He has frequently stated that many come in his name and under his name, and therefore that it is foolish to presume that because a message comes ”from Ashtar” it is automatically the truth.” (p. 161). This proved very true as after Van Tassel and Constable a large channeling industry appeared using Ashtar or Ashtar Command. George Adamski, critical of channeled communications, noted this phenomenon during his European tour: ”In Europe I encountered reports of two Ashtars, totally different in character, but each claiming supreme command over large numbers of space travelers. From such dubious sources have come promises of personal contacts, sometimes even with specific dates and instructions as to time and place.” (George Adamski, Flying Saucers Farewell, p. 113-114).

Trevor James Constable and Riley Crabb in Visa, California, June 1962

Although Constable all his life defended George Van Tassel as a genuine contactee he also voiced some critical views in The Live in the Sky. Constable agreed with Riley Crabb that Van Tassel was not enough discerning when inving speakers to his annual Spacecraft Conventions at Giant Rock: ”The major fault of George´s Conventions is that no effort is ever made to set aside, however briefly, the monotonous reiteration of these astral experiences with spacecraft, undergone by well-meaning but hopelessly disoriented sensitives… The book (The Live in the Sky) had just come of the press prior to the Convention, and I previously wrote to George and told him that I would appreciate the opportunity to speak to the people about these new discoveries. When Convention time came, George took care that I did not get on the platform. Some reference to him in the book, which were truthful and honest expressions of my own views disagreeing with his, apparently aroused his ire.” (Trevor James Constable, Think About This, Psychic Observer, May 10, 1959, p. 4).

George Van Tassel at Giant Rock

When They Live in the Sky was published in 1958 Constable was regarded as a heretic by the love-and-light mystics in the contactee movement, mainstream scientific ufologists and the general public. His statements that there was also dangerous (astral) forces involved in the UFO phenomenon coupled with his assertion that many UFOs were actually a form of normally invisible life forms (critters) was upsetting to many in the UFO community: ”During my 1957 experiments with telepathy, the ethereans with whom I had commerce conveyed to me, in a simplistic yet emphatic fashion suited to my ignorance of things cosmic, basic facts concerning the forces at work within the UFO phenomena that are anti-evolutionary and anti-humanity. This was, and is, unpleasant information.” (The Cosmic Pulse of Life, p. 210). In an undated letter to Riley Crabb 1974 Constable told of how in 1958 his book was deemed as crazy, even by his friends: … business executives, who knew me well, literally crossed the street to avoid talking with me, or being seen talking to me.”

After They Live in the Sky was published Constable abandoned the UFO movement and spent the rest of his life devoted to etheric weather engineering, inspired by Rudolf Steiner, Ruth Drown and Wilhelm Reich. In the beginning of the 1970s he began working on a new book, a synthesis of his mentor´s teachings and the UFO problem: ” ”My big new UFO book is a tyrant in my life at present, and the synthesizing of Reich, Steiner and Drown a Herculean chore. I hope I can retire from that field with its completion, and settle down to the intriguing realities of weather control.” (Letter from Trevor James Constable to Riley Crabb, Nov. 16, 1970). In the same letter to Crabb he disclosed what would be the spiritual message in this monumental tome: ”I am finishing up Puls of Life at this time, and am engaged in the most comprehensive exposure of the Ahrimanic powers and their workings that has yet been set to print. This is putting me to my limit in every way, because they surely want this book obliterated along with its author.”


This prophecy would prove devastatingly true. The manuscript to The Cosmic Pulse of Life was rejected by Harper and Row in 1974. On August 16, 1975 Constable married his second wife Linda Christine. What then happened was told to Riley Crabb in a letter October 16, 1975: ” On 2 October she jumped 22 stories in Honolulu to her death, while I was en route from New Guinea to San Francisco.” This was a personal tragedy and terrible blow from what Constable believed was a murder orchestrated by the ”Ahrimanic powers: ”Well, slowly I recover from the occult murder of my beloved spouse. Believe me, that was one hell of a cannon ball – and having to survive it out on a ship thousands of miles from home and all my control cords just about put me out of the body myself. That was the idea of course…Frank Thomas went through the same thing when ”They Live in the Sky” was published, but he got the job done before losing his body two months afterwards.” (Letter from Trevor James Constable to Riley Crabb, Feb. 26, 1976). The Cosmic Pulse of Life was finally published in 1976, ”Dedicated to the memory of my beloved wife Linda Christine 1944-1975 – My Eternal Star”. Later Constable found a new love in his third wife Gloria.

They Live in the Sky and The Cosmic Pulse of Life have become classics in UFO literature. Because of Constable´s theory of the critters or bioforms some author´s have misunderstood his writings, claiming all UFOs are invisible critters. Now and then Constable had to officially defend his actual position on the UFO problem. Here in a letter to author Andrew Collins: ”Where in any of my works is the statement you impute to me, that ”UFOs are not spacecraft at all, but bioforms… etc. etc.”? You will find in Cosmic Pulse of Life that the point is comprehensively deliniated that there are TWO distinct types of UFO´s which are MUTUALLY CONFUSED. These are the ether ships, and the bioforms. The confusion is intensified by the etheric power source of both kinds of UFO´s. This is the first qualitative element introduced into the UFO subject. You refer to this not at all – just critters.” (Letter from Trevor James Constable to Andrew Collins, Aug. 15, 1992).

There are still many unanswered questions regarding the UFO contacts of Trevor James Constable. In spite of my study of his extensive correspondence and articles I have not found out why he terminated his, obviously positive and inspiring, contact with the space people? Neither have I been able to find out whether his personal archive has been saved. I assume there must be more messages received from his space friends than so far published. Trevor James Constable was a brave pioneer in the UFO movement and I hope the ultimate biography of his life and research will one day be written.

Sunday, November 25, 2018

The MILABS Enigma

How much does the military intelligence agencies of the world´s superpowers actually know of what is going on regarding UFO contacts and abductions? I don´t mean the general intelligence agents but the special black ops operatives with a need to know who are trying to understand and handle the situation. Are these operatives also involved in what has been called MILABS, military abductions of close encounter witnesses and abductees? Is it even possible for investigators of this secret underground world to discover what is going on and who is doing what to whom? This controversial issue is addressed by Nick Redfern in his latest book Top Secret Alien Abduction Files.


In his introduction Redfern relates what many investigators have come to believe regarding abductions: ”According to numerous accounts, after being kidnapped by alien entities, the abductees are shortly thereafter kidnapped again … by the government. These follow-up MILABS are the work of a powerful group hidden deep within the military and the inteligence community.” MILABS is short for Military Abductions. An important document in this genre is The Controllers by Martin Cannon. This theory was also studied and documented by Dr. Helmut Lammer and Marion Lammer in their book MILABS: Military Mind Control and Alien Abduction (1999). Based on several years of research Lammer concluded that some abduction cases could actually be secret experiments by various military intelligence agencies. In April 2011 I wrote to Dr. Lammer asking for more data on his research. He very kindly told me he had abandoned all research on abductions and mind control and had no further interest in the subject. I then asked if he would consider donating his research material and archive to AFU. I was quite surprised when told that his entire archive had been thrown away. Why would a scientist destroy the result of many years of research? Was the subject too sensitive?


Because of documents obtained thanks to the Freedom of Information Acts in United States and the United Kingdom we know that military and intelligence agencies creates secret files on contactees and other individuals involved in the UFO movement. From the 1950s there are FBI files on George Adamski, Orfeo Angelucci, George Van Tassel and others. Much of this activity was motivated by political reasons and the Cold War fear of Communism. In the first chapter Redfern presents some of these documents and contact stories. But he should have checked basic facts about the contactees better. The alien visitor Adamski met on November 20, 1952 did not present himself as Orthon. This was a fictitious name later adapted by Adamski and his co-workers. George Van Tassel did not ”drive out to a nearby area” for his encounter with landed craft and crew. He was sleeping outside at his property at Giant Rock when awakened in the middle of the night by the presence of an alien visitor. And Van Tassel did not die in 1977, but on February 9, 1978. These are minor faults of course but still facts that could easily have been found in UFO literature or on Internet.

Karl Hunrath was an enigmatic figure in 1950s contactee circles. Most well known because, together with his companion Wilbur Wilkinson, he disappeared during a flight, taking off from a small airstrip outside Los Angeles, November 10, 1953. Redfern makes a summary of the case based on FBI files and UFO history. These documents reveal Hunrath as a troublesome and not very savory character who claimed to have been visited in his bedroom by a tall, thin man dressed in a dark suit. The unknown intruder injected him with some form of chemicals and said: ”I am Bosco. You have been chosen to enter our brotherhood of galaxies.” Later Hunrath told of having a secret technology that could bring down both our own aircraft and saucers.

By a strange co-incidence the name Bosco appears in connection with the classic Antonio Vilas-Boas abduction in Brazil 1957. Ufologist Rick Reynolds was in 1978 approached by a mysterious man named Bosco Nedelcovic, who claimed to have worked for the CIA and the Department of Defense. One of his projects involved destabilizing prominent figures in the civil rights movement. Nedelcovic also revealed that he had been involved in the Vilas-Boas abduction which was a part of the CIA´s mind control program called MK-Ultra. With the help of a helicopter and a chemical derivative in gas form the MK-Ultra operatives wanted to find out how the human mind could be altered and manipulated by hallucinogenic substances. And Antonio Vilas-Boas became the unfortunate human guinea pig. After this first documented MILABs operation Redfern asks the obvious question – who are the real abductors?

This question becomes even more relevant when comparing the Nedelcovic story with the abduction experiences of Alison, a woman living on a ranch not far from Sedona, Arizona. The case was documented by Nick Redfern in his 2006 book On the Trail of the Saucer Spies, pp. 115-117: Alison´s abductions always start with a humming sound, loss of electricity in the house and her dogs becoming very distressed. Bright lights envelope the room and in a semiconscious state she is aware of small creatures carrying her to a small craft outside the house where she is examined and then led back to the house. On her fifth abduction something extraordinary happens. The humming sound stops abruptly and Alison slowly regain her normal senses. The small gray aliens fade away and instead she find a group of large and burly men in black fatigues in her room. According to Alison one of the men screamed "what happened" in a microphone. Another man utters the word "sorry" in her direction and the men leave in, not an alien spacecraft, but an unmarked black helicopter. Alison is convinced she has been used in covert military experiments with advanced forms of psychotronic technology, drugs and hypnosis.


Much of Nick Redfern´s new book is a chronology and summary of well known abduction cases such as Gerry Irwin, Barney and Betty Hill, Betty Andreasson, Whitley Strieber, Judy Doraty, Myrna Hansen and Christa Tilton, leading up to stories of black, unmarked helicopters, cattle mutilations and secret underground military bases. One of the most intriguing cases of recent MILAB activities is the story of Charlie, a man from Shreveport, Louisiana who contacted Redfern in late 2016. Charlie´s encounter happened on January 2, 2015 when he was nineteen years of age and living in a small house in an isolated area.

At about two in the morning Charlie was watching TV when a compulsion made him go to the living room window. He notice a police car parked outside the house. He decides to go outside and ask the police if everything is ok. As Charlie approach the car he get the strange feeling of being ”half-awake”. But what really frighten him is the look on the face of the police officers: ”an insane smile; like crazy and dangerous”. Suddenly the car and the two officers vanish and in their place is an egg-shaped object. Charlie try to run back to his house. The next thing he remember is standing in a field behind the family´s home together with two classic Men in Black. The men haul him aboard a craft nearby where he is strapped on a thin bed. Three small figures walk into the room, large hairless heads and huge black eyes. Charli can feel how something cold and metallic in put in his nostril and he starts to get images in his mind, apocalyptic visions of war and devastation. Suddenly Charlie finds himself standing in the family yard again, watching the police car leaving in the darkness of the early morning.

About a month later Charlie has a dizzy spell and fall asleep on the couch. When waking up he notice a man in black, military-style outfit and two other men in the room. Another man comes from the kitchen injecting something into Charlie´s arm and he suddenly finds himself in the back of a large van with the four men around him. They start interrogating Charlie, stating they know everything about his encounter a month ago and they want him to share every aspect of the incident. After sharing the story one of the men explain to Charlie that ”we have in our midst a dangerous race of extraterrestrials who are routinely implanting devices into large numbers of the American population – devices that have the ability to control and manipulate people as they see fit.” After this explanation Charlie is driven back to his home and given an apology for the rough handling.

In May of this year I received an email from an American woman, Laura (not the real name), who had found my blog and wanted to share a very frightening close encounter she had experienced together with her husband John (not the real name). Of interest is that her husband is a retired military, special ops, military intelligence. The close encounter was the beginning of a two year long odyssey of strange experiences, among others the observation of a sort of surveillance device outside their house. What then happened on the night of January 11, 2011 was documented in great detail in a nine page letter received by me on September 21, 2018.

At exactly 3:33 AM Laura is awakened by a very soft bump coming from the opposite site of the bedroom wall. Fearing that someone is breaking into their house she tries to wake her husband but realize she couldn´t move. ”I was totally paralysed with only the use of my eyes… From around the corner into our bedroom came several humans walking in a line. The leader was a large, tall female with auburn hair pulled back into a bun. She wore a white physician´s coat. Behind her walked a short male with a balding head who wore a blue coat. Behind them were others, less descript and faint in my memory… They appeared to float into the room rather than walk.”

Laura first thought they were ghosts but soon realized that ghosts don´t paralyze you. The group position themselves beside the beds of Laura and her husband. ”Suddenly, the room seemed to be filled with anesthesia… I knew I was being led to become unconscious but I faught it, refusing to go down. Luckily, I was successful and remained in control and awake for a while longer… These humans dropped their facade. They were not human entities but huge insects – something resembling ants without antennea. What I had been seing as human was apparently holographic imaging.”

”After dropping their human cover, one mounted John from his side of the bed and one mounted me from mine. They literally climbed on top of us and sat straddling our middle as if they had knees folded under them.” The entity tries to put its face an inch from Laura which she understood was an attempt to look into her eyes. But she refuse to cooperate and lower her eyes. ”As I looked down its long frame for details I saw the entity´s covering was very dark brown and leathery. It had spindly legs (at least four of them) about two inches in diameter with odd bumps here and there on the surface of its skin but no hair. The hands were more like pinchers with two operating parts. Its eyes were enormous, very dark brown and almond-shaped… There was no mouth, nose or ears and no mandables as one expects from some insect species. It appeared to have a hard exoskeleton covering its face that was a little shiny. The length of the entity was difficult to determine; it appeared to be five or six feet long.”

”When I would not engage, the creature leaned back, turned to his compadre sitting atop John who also sat back and they exchanged the loudest, shrillest series of tonal communications I´d ever heard. Clearly, the were conversing. Oddly, I knew what they were saying. Mine said, ”She is not cooperating.” John´s said, ”Try again.” Mine said, ”Ok.” Whether I heard their meaning in my ears or understood it with my mind I´ve no idea… they had no emotions and went about their business as living yet mechanical, task-oriented robots…. The next thing I knew it was 40 minutes later and I was sitting up in bed yelling the thing I could not get out before the incident, ”John wake up!!!” John did wake up, grabbed me and shook me. Of course, he thought I was having a nightmare.”

Reports of encounters with these type of insectoids, looking like praying mantices have increased during the last decades. They remind me of the American contactee Ted Owens who told that the space intelligences he communicated with looked like grasshoppers on two legs. Because of the shape shifting demonstrated by these entities it is difficult to evaluate what we are dealing with. Evil aliens, holographic projections or what? Whatever they don´t belong to ”the good guys”. There is not much help here in information from the core esoteric works of Blavatsky, Bailey or Laurency who very seldom mention evil extraterrestrials. But there is one interesting comment made by the Tibetan to Alice Bailey, warning of a form of ”cosmic evil” reaching manking: ”… an evil which is not indigenous to our planet, an evil with which it was never intended that men should deal.” (Alice Bailey, The Rays and the Initiations, p. 753). During his last years, living in New Zeeland, esotericist Riley Crabb wrote a few booklets trying to present this problem based on various esoteric sources.




In the last chapter, Conclusions, Nick Refern presents a timeline for the intelligence agencies work to handle the alien intrusion. In the 1960s ”something changed the nature of how and why aliens interact with us. It was nothing positive. It was all negative. For us at least”. The only option to the governments was to watch closely what was going on, keeping abductees under constant surveillance. Hence the use of black helicopters and quick-reaction teams. With the increase in reports of implants intelligence agencies took another step forward in the fight against the abduction phenomenon. This was the dawning of MILABS, the military´s own abductions to get the answers to what was really going on. Now abductees didn´t just have to worry about being kidnapped by aliens, they also had to deal with the military abducting them. 

In his conclusions Redfern seem to side with the governments regarding their way of dealing with the problem: ”And we see agencies of government doing all that they can – and, in the process, often struggling – to try to not just understand the full nature of the abductions but also to find a way to stop the aliens´secret agenda… governments struggle to hide the terrible, complicated truth from all of us.”

Field investigating ufologists today are faced with an increasingly complicated enigma. Trying to find out who is doing what to whom – and why? It is like opening Chinese boxes. You open one and find another box inside – with a still deeper mystery.

Thursday, November 15, 2018

Contactees And Channeling

”I don´t know what has happened , George, but all the mediums have suddenly disposed of their Indian guides, etc., and have replaced them with space people traveling in Vimanas.” This is a very intersting comment made by British ufologist and esotericist Desmond Leslie in a letter to George Adamski, soon after Flying Saucers Have Landed was published in 1954. Adamski was critical of the many mediums (channelers) who in the 1950s proclaimed to be in contact with various space people. Although he was not generally adverse to the idea of telepathic or psychic communication he did give this advice to his co-workers: ”You can never check on the sender of a trance message. Every mock spirit or evil impersonator could come and tell you that his name was Ashtar or Aetherius and that he lived in a space ship. I think that these entities are having a heyday leading astray the gullible mediums and their public… This is not to belittle mediums in any way, but it is to say that most of them have much to learn before they can be sure of just what they are receiving, and from whom and where.” (Lou Zinsstag & Timothy Good, George Adamski - The Untold Story, pp. 55, 57).


The UFO contactee movement of the 1950s was a colorful spectrum of fascinating individuals. Besides the classic physical UFO contactees there emerged a wide assortment of mediums, often with a background in various spiritualist and metaphysical groups. There were no clearcut demarcation lines between physical and psychic contactees. Some belonged to both camps. GeorgeVan Tassel is a good example, starting as a channeler and later having physical contacts with space people.

Although the UFO contact movement of the 1950s certainly was of a mixed quality the core group of physical contactees had a definite sociological impact on society in a positive way, not often mentioned by researchers. The movement conveyed a general message of hope, peace, goodwill and inspired members to contact and friendship with people from all over the globe, regardless of race, creed or color. George Adamski initiated the International Get Acquainted Program (IGAP) and Daniel Fry founded Understanding, Inc.: ”… a non-profit organization dedicated to the propagation of a better understanding among all the peoples of the earth, and of those who are not of the earth.”

Daniel Fry in Sweden 1970

By the end of the 1950s the contactee movement reached its high tide when Gabriel Green, President of AFSCA (Amalgamated Flying Saucer Clubs of America) arranged the First National Convention on July 11 and 12th, 1959 at Statler-Hilton Hotel, Los Angeles. This two-day convention amply demonstrated the problems of the contactee movement. Only two of the classic (and in my view genuine) contactees were present – Orfeo Angelucci and Daniel Fry. Almost all the other 40 speakers were channelers with more or less far-out and bizarre claims and messages. The movement was now so contaminated by psychic racketeers and sincere, but self-deluded mystics that by the end of the 1960s it faded into obscurity. 

Daniel Fry and Gabriel Green at the AFSCA Convention 1959

Journalist Cleve Twitchell wrote a summary of the program and speakers for Daniel Fry´s Understanding magazine, July-August 1959. Here a few ”highlights”:

”LeRoy Roberts, channel from Oregon, one of whose mentors came through and stated the the Master Jesus, before coming to Earth, had visited Mars and had taught its inhabitants to conserve their dwindling water supply – by building canals.

Wilbur Miller, who received a transmission from the being Mentar, giving unbelieving Eartlings a well deserved kick in the pants.

William Suther, young teenager, who said he had recently toured a universe separated from our own in his astral body”

The audience of around 2000 could also listen to:
Monka of Mars and a galactic tour by Hatonn, channeled by Dick Miller
Prince Neosom (Lee Childers), who claimed to have come from the planet Tythan.


When adressing the controversial issue of the possible validity of channeling messages it is interesting to compare the ideas and experiences of Meade Layne who discovered and for many years worked with the unique deep trance medium Mark Probert. Meade Layne discovered Probert´s unusual gifts as medium in 1946 and it was through him that the etheric or 4-D interpretation of ”flying saucers” was first formulated. But Mark Probert never channeled any ”space people” as so many of the other mediums. Instead the communicators presented themselves as ordinary individuals who had lived on earth before.

Meade Layne was well acquinted with all types of paranormal phenomena and had already in 1936 published an article, Experiments in Evoking Images, published in The Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research (vol 30, no 9). After three years of work together with Mark Probert he published the booklet Mediums and Mediumship in 1949. Regarding the question of spirit identity he concluded: ”Much importance is attached, in some quarters, to establishing the alleged identity of spirit communicators. The question seems of little importance to the present writer, except when spiritism is considered only in its consolatory and religious aspects. The basic question is whether any intelligent and excaranate operator is present; and beyond this, the importance of the communication lies in its content, whether it is intellectually and morally profitable, and whether it conveys any information not easily aviable by normal means.” (p. 14).

Mark Probert

Like Meade Layne I personally, during more than a decade, had the privilege to investigate and become good friends with the Swedish contactee couple Sture and Turid Johansson. In the Autumn of 1976 Sture became a deep trance channeler. The first individual to come through was named Simeno later to be replaced by Ambres, who claimed that his latest incarnation was as an Egyptian merchant, Rameno Charafez, living around 1,000 years B.C. The teachings of Ambres became very popular and soon a group formed around the couple. In the 1980s Sture och Turid moved to the north of Värmland, building a center attracting many followers who came from all over the world to listen to the Ambres teachings. Sture became very famous in the 1980s when celebreties like Shirley MacLaine and Dennis Weaver visited the center in Sweden. Sture and Turid travelled around the world and I have letters and postcards posted from California, Hawaii and Mexico. Sture also figures in the miniseries Out On a Limb from 1987, based on the bestselling book by Shirley Maclaine.

Out On A Limb, Swedish edition

In 1976-1977 I participated in several trance sessions at the home of Sture och Turid and hade many long conversations with Ambres. I taped these sessions and they became important as they taught me a lot of how trance communication works and the problem of interpretation. During the seven or eight seances in 1976-1977 when I participated there was no really new or unknown facts regarding UFOs or paranormal phenomena presented by Simeno. It was essentially a summary of the views discussed in the meditation group we belonged to, although expressed in a somewhat novel form. I do not state this fact to belittle the Sture Johansson channelings. The teachings of Simeno and Ambres are in many respects inspiring and beautiful, a combination of Theosophy, spiritualism and Advaita mysticism. There is no fanaticism, life-negating ascetiscism or political extremism in the messages.

Sture Johansson channeling Ambres, with wife Turid

As it is actually more or less impossible to determine the real identity of the ”spirits” in channeled communications I agree with Meade Layne that the only option left is assessing the philosophical and intellectual quality of the messages. Mainstream academic, materialist, reductionist psychology usually regard the channeling phenomenon as the effect of a subconsciously created personality. This may be the answer in some cases. The esoteric explanation is somewhat different. Here are quotes from three esoteric sources of interest as alternative paradigms:

” And, you have heard of and read about a good many Seers, in the past and present centuries, such as Swedenborg, Boehme, and others. Not one among the number but thoroughly honest, sincere, and as intelligent, as well educated; aye, even learned… Tell me, my friend, do you know of two that agree? And why, since truth is one, and that putting entirely the question of discrepancies in details aside — we do not find them agreeing even upon the most vital problems..." (The Mahatma Letters to A.P .Sinnett, Letter 48).

”Unless regularly initiated and trained — concerning the spiritual insight of things and the supposed revelations made unto man in all ages from Socrates down to Swedenborg and "Fern" — no self-tutored seer or clairaudient ever saw or heard quite correctly." (The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett, Letter 40).

In Telepathy and the Etheric Vehicle by Alice Bailey (pp. 76-77) the Tibetan adept D.K. givet these interesting figures regarding channeled messages:

”1. Messages emanating from the relatively nice, well-trained subconscious nature of the recipient. These well up from the subconscious but are regarded by the recipient as coming from an outside source…These messages are normally innocuous, sometimes beautiful, because they are a mixture of what the recipients have read and gathered from the mystical writing or have heard from Christian sources and the Bible. It is really the content of their right thinking along spiritual lines and can do no one any harm, but is of no true importance whatsoever. It accounts, however, for eighty-five percent (85%) of the so-called telepathic or inspired writings so prevalent at this time.

2. Impressions from the soul, which are translated into concepts and written down by the personality; the recipient is deeply impressed by the relatively high vibration which accompanies them… This accounts for eight percent (8%) of the writings and communications put before the general public by aspirants today.

3. Teachings given by a senior or more advanced disciple on the inner planes to a disciple under training or who has just been admitted into an Ashram. These teachings bear the impress and conclusions of the senior disciple and are frequently of value; they may—and often do—contain information of which the recipient is totally unaware. The criterion here is that nothing (literally nothing) will concern the recipient, either spiritually or mentally or in any other way connected with his personality, nor will they contain the platitudes of the religious background of the recipient. They will account for five percent (5%) of the teaching given, but this is in relation to the entire world and the percentage does not refer to some one occult group, one religious faith or one nation. The recognition of this is of vital importance.

4. Communications from a Master to His disciple. This accounts for two percent (2%) of the entire telepathic receptivity, demonstrated by humanity as a whole throughout the entire world. Western students would here do well to remember that the subjective Eastern student is far more prone to telepathic receptivity than is his Western brother…”

Alice Bailey

Finally a comment from the Swedish esotericist HenryT. Laurency:
”What most characterizes spiritualists is that they permit themselves to be guided by beings in the emotional world, highly developed “spirits in the spiritual world”. The only comment necessary here is that even the most highly developed beings in the emotional world lack a true knowledge of reality and life. That knowledge cannot be acquired in the worlds of man… Spiritualists think that the medium is protected by so-called controls, who see to it that no unworthy beings use the physical envelopes of the medium. However, these “controls” have never reached beyond the emotional stage, the stage of the mystic, and they lack the requisite esoteric knowledge. They have no other knowledge of reality than the one they acquired once when in physical incarnation, and the one they receive through “pupils” who have studied esoterics. Usually, these “controls” are old Indian yogis who are detained in the emotional world through the philosophical systems they have accepted.” (Henry T. Laurency, Knowledge of Life Three, chapter on Spiritualism).

None of these esoteric authors mention the possibility of communicating with extraterrestrial visitors. In this area we find another problem not addressed: psychic communication with the help of technological instruments as mentioned by George Van Tassel and Daniel Fry. But whatever the form of communiction, the problem of identification is just as relevant when it comes to physical contacts. How do we know the visitors are what they claim to be? My favourite heretic among ufologists, John Keel put it this way: ”Suppose a strange metallic disk covered with flashing colored lights settled in your backyard and a tall man in a one-piece silver space suit got out. Suppose he looked unlike any man you had ever seen before, and when you asked him where he was from, he replied, "I am from Venus. " Would you argue with him?” (Operation Trojan Horse, p. 214).

Friday, November 2, 2018

Sven Schalin 1925-2017

Today there are not many ufologists left of the first pioneers from the 1950s. Recently the AFU board members were informed that one of Sweden´s real oldboys in our movement, Sven Schalin died on October 13, 2017. It is unfortunate the this sad message didn´t reach us until now as we stilll don´t know if Schalin´s UFO archive has been saved. Many years ago we were allowed to copy some of his material but as for all the original reports, photos, correspondence etc. we fear it has ended up in the local dump. The tragic fate of many rare and unique ufo archives.

Sven Schalin in 2014

Perhaps even more frustrating was the information that Sven Schalin in his will donated around four million SEK to the Swedish Anthroposophical movement. Schalin had for many years been an AFU supporter and we had of course hoped he would remember AFU in his will. With four million SEK we could have realized our old dream of having one large archive facility instead of the present 14 premises, scattered in different buildings. But we have been around since 1973 so we just keep on hoping that someone on this little planet find our work and efforts worthy of a major donation or remember us in his or her will.

Sven Schalin was born i Gothenburg 1925. He studied aerospace engineering at Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg and in 1954 moved to Linköping, working for SAAB, the Swedish aerospace and defense company, founded in 1937. During his engineering career at SAAB, Schalin worked in developing famous Swedish fighter aircraft Saab J 35 Draken,  Saab 37 Viggen and Saab JAS 39 Gripen. He retired in 1990.

Sven Schalin lecturing at the UFO-Sweden annual conference, Jönköping 1974.

It was during his work at SAAB that Schalin first heard of flying saucers. In 1956 a colleague at SAAB asked if he had read Flying Saucers From Outer Space by Donald Keyhoe. Schalin read the book and became deeply fascinated by the subject. Even more so when a man from British Intelligence visited SAAB and related further information. This man later sent a list of UFO literature to Schalin who read all he could find on the subject and also became a member of NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena), headed by Donald Keyhoe.

The first major UFO case investigated by Schalin was the Domsten close encounter. On the evening of December 19, 1958, two young men, Stig Rydberg and Hans Gustafsson claimed to have encountered a landed saucer outside Domsten in southern Sweden. They were attacked by three or four formless creatures who try to drag them into the saucer. After a fierce fight the boys escaped, the creatures entered the craft and it took off. This sensational story was printed in several newspapers and was even investigated by the Swedish police and military. Sven Schalin interviewed the boys assisted by Dr. Ingeborg Kjellin (MD) but although skeptical they found no natural explanation. But in 1989 my AFU colleagues Anders Liljegren and Clas Svahn disclosed, after years of  in-depth research and detective work, that the case was a simple hoax inspired by the Tom Trick science fiction series published in a Swedish magazine.

Sven Schalin (left) and Ingeborg Kjellin interviewing Stig Rydberg and Hans Gustafsson


Much because of articles in the magazine Se, 1959 and Såningsmannen 1960, Sven Schalin became a well known figure in Swedish ufology, resulting in public lectures and many contacts with UFO witnesses. In 1959 he also began working together with Edith Nicolaisen, founder of the Parthenon publishing house and for a few years was also a board member of Parthenon. Nicolaisen published several of the classic contactee books on the 1950s and 60s. She was a demanding and hard working woman, not easy to get along with as she expected co-workers to be totally devoted to the Parthenon spiritual mission. This, coupled with different opinions on the UFO problem, made Schalin leave the Parthenon board in 1963.

Part of article in Såningsmannen no 4, 1960.

The close co-operation with Dr. Ingeborg Kjellin, during the Domsten investigation, also influenced Schalin in another respect. Kjellin was a theosophist and inspired Schalin to study theosophical classics, Blavatsky etc. for a few years. Influenced by a working colleague at SAAB he soon changed his interest to Rudolf Steiner´s Anthroposophy which led to a break with Kjellin. Schalin became of member of the Anthroposophical Society, and would conintue to advocate the Steiner worldview all his life. In a letter to Edith Nicolaisen July 4, 1962, he tried to explain his shifting position regarding UFOs and spirituality:

”I am still very much interested in the UFO/IFO issue but I don´t share the same views as previously. My assessment has changed and I am rather confused regarding the implications of the UFO phenomena and contact stories. I don´t believe that the basic human problems and our relation to Christ involves UFOs. No such phenomena are required in understanding spiritual values and what is important in our life. This has been clearly evinced by Rudolf Steiner. Forgive me if I am wrong but I simply cannot view things as Miss Nicolaisen. Maybe I am not spiritually mature. My interest in spiritual matters has developed rather all at once, probably because too much has happened which has been difficult to digest. Then it is necessary to seek solid ground beneath the feet or your life will be a total chaos. And for me Anthroposophy is that solid ground. I also hope that via this teaching come to a better understand of UFOs and what they imply.”

The influence of Anthroposophy on the UFO movement has been quite extensive but so far very little documented. A list of ufologists more or less influenced by Rudolf Steiner would include Allen Hynek, Gordon Creighton, Trevor James Constable, Gordon Allen, Dan and Eileen Lloyd. Personally I find it rather surprising that so many leading ufologists have been inspired by the rather odd mixture of Christian mysticism and esotericism advocated by Rudolf Steiner. The Ahriman-Lucifer demonology of Anthroposophy is reminiscent of ideas presented by fundamental Christian groups where UFOs are usually interpreted as demonic. If these ufologists had instead followed the more balanced approach, interpreting UFOs from the core Esoteric Tradition (Blavatsky, Bailey, Laurency) as exemplified by Desmond Leslie, Meade Layne and Riley Crabb the result would have been different.

Sven Schalin did not personally investigate many UFO incidents but one case he found of great interest was the Kolmården close encounter August 23, 1967. In the small community Kolmården, close to Norrköping, two teenagers observed strange lights and a small, skinny figure carrying some sort of instrument. Schalin never revealed the identity of the witnesses but some time ago investigators from UFO-Sweden found and interviewed the woman involved, who confirmed the incident.

On June 8, 1992 Anders Liljegren and I interviewed Sven Schalin at his home in Linköping. Here a few quotes from this interview:

Håkan Blomqvist (HB): How would you summarize your view of the UFO problem today?

Sven Schalin (SS): In the beginning I believed it was space ships. Further on I became more suspicious when reports of objects formed and dissolved appeared. There were many such cases and then I realized this was something different.

HB: But you didn´t interpret these cases as manipulations of a higher technology?

SS: I became convinced there is a spiritual world and from this world entities can manifest. I began to suspect they are deceiving us. I believe there are both negative and positive forces involved in all this. Today I favor the theory of materialisations.

HB: Why did you end your active involvement in ufology?

SS: When you realize that there are very treacherous things involved you want to study the spiritual aspect more. I didn´t want to dig deeper into ufology but chose to study Anthroposophy instead. But I am very confused about all this talk of crashed saucers. Where do they come from?

HB: Anthroposophists generally have a very negative view of UFOs?

SS: I had expected to get some answers to the UFO enigma through Anthroposophy but I didn´t. There is a man called Hans Mändl, a leading anthroposophist. He meditated on this enigma and I received a very brief answer. He implied that this were some form of cosmic jokers. That is all the information I got this way. Anthroposophists are reluctant to have anything to do with UFOs.

Sven Schalin wrote very few UFO-articles during his active years. He did present a summary of his views in the magazine UFO-Information no 8, 1971, Ännu gäckar de oss (They still elude us). Schalin advocated continued serious research also involving the non-material aspects. I admire his courage to publicly stand up for UFO reality in 1959, especially with regard to his position as engineer at SAAB. He was once ordered to come to the then technical director at SAAB, Hans Brising. Schalin feared a reprimand because of his UFO interest but instead Brising told of his serious interest in the subject but didn´t want this information to be made public. Sven Schalin was a brave pioneer in the Swedish UFO movement. 

Wednesday, October 24, 2018

Interview With Glenn Steckling

Every year since 1977 UFO-Sweden has arranged a weekend field investigator seminar, educating and training both new and old ufologists from Sweden and Norway. This event is also a much appreciated social gathering. Since 2013 the seminar has been held at Föllingen Hotel near Kisa, in the middle of Sweden. Every year a guest speaker is invited and on October 20, 2018 some 40 participants could listen to a lecture by Mr. Glenn Steckling, director of the George Adamski Foundation.

Glenn Steckling lecturing at the UFO-Sweden field investigator seminar

Glenn Steckling gave a historical overview of George Adamski and his contact experiences and also his own involvement with the foundation. The facts and views presented were of course very controversial and many questions followed, especially from the new field investigators. Before Gleen´s lecture I gave a short introduction of George Adamski och the problem of investigating contactee cases. Because of the tight time schedule I interviewed Glenn during the car journey from the train 
station.

Glenn Steckling and Clas Svahn at UFO-Sweden seminar

Håkan Blomqvist (HB): Could you give some short background of yourself, birth, education, employment?

Glenn Steckling (GS): My family has been involved with the subject since they were in Europé and the children growing up. When my parents emigrated to the U.S. we had a number of sightings in Colorado Springs, Washington D.C. -   I was born in 1959 – and over downtown Washington we saw one of these bell-shaped craft hovering and there were about 30 other witnesses.


Together with Glenn at the UFO-Sweden seminar



HB: You saw that too?

GS: Yes, and there was a reporter from the Washington Daily News standing there with us so it was in the newspaper a couple of days later. My father who had witnessed these craft for so many decades went to the Library of Congress and came across Adamski´s books. The telescopic photos were exactly the same type of craft that we´ve seen. My father, in March 1963, wrote to Mr. George Adamski and in June Adamski was coming to Washington to lecture to the Air Force Reserves. We became close friends with George Adamski. We met some of his cosmic contacts and ended up inheriting his materials and after a few years the entire foundation. My father carried it on until his passing in 1991 and then it seemed to me as I had spent a lifetime in this field with observations, sightings and experiences it would be only natural to continue the work being the youngest and the last link to the actual occurences and that makes a big difference.

Fred Steckling on Japan National TV 1977

HB: Do you have the archive at home?

GS: Yes, I have a large storage in the house with vaults and safe where the archives is contained. It includes the original negatives and also what has been collected over years from other people like May Morlet, Alice Wells. Actually we took care of Alice Wells for many years before she died. Every so often some work comes to us.

HB: You met Adamski when you were rather young, any remembrances?

GS: Oh yes, I was six years old. What happened was that when George came to Washington he stayed in Silver Springs and we all stayed with him. My parents and Mrs. Rodeffer would go out and make arrangements for television and radio shows so I spent much of my time with George in the house. There were several circumstances when his space contacts came to the house and made arrangements. I remember sitting with George in the dining room and these two space people came and sat at the table and he said to me sit here and listen and observe what is going on. They looked like anybody else, no any different and we have seen the same people since and the interesting thing is they don´t age very much.

George Adamski with the Steckling family 1964

HB: Are you many board members at the Adamski Foundation?

GS: No basically it stays within the family, me, my sisters and some others, about half a dozen. I am the primary executive officer. I do most of the work

HB: What in your opinion is the strongest evidence that George Adamski told the truth?

GS: There is so much it´s incredible. We have photographic evidence that have been authenticated. We have motion picture evidence that have been authenticated. My father and mother were invited to NASA, the Pentagon and the British House of Lords.


HB: We both know Rene Olsen. What do you think of his analysis of the Adamski photographs?

GS: I think his analysis is very good and I have supplied him with a number of photographs in order for him to clean them up. Olsen did a very good work.

HB: I remember Lucy McGinnis had a sighting herself when Adamski was not present and she saw a craft at very close distance?

Lucy McGinnis

GS: Correct, on the Mount Palomar property where they used to live at the base of Mount Palomar there were a number of these craft and one of them landed. Not only Lucy McGinnis but a fellow by the name of Alan Tolman. He was a witness along with many running up the hill towards the craft.

HB: What do you think about greys, abductions. What is behind all this. 

GS: In 1961 this field became divergent or went in separate directions. In 1961 after we had a flood of landings on this planet and the forces that control this world became very anxious. This was a psychological manipulation by the forces that use the politics of this world to keep people in a fearful state. The purpose of this type of rumor mongering is to keep the people fearful. All these craft carry a robot. The newer ships have no robots but androids. The androids only have four fingers and they can only do what they are programmed to do. Some of these sightings could be robots or androids.

HB: We talked about the opposition but who are they really?

GS: The opposition or what we call the silence group are individuals of this world and individuals of some others who are responsible for the geopolitical manipulation of the events of this planet. The real people who are manipulating what is going on in this world – there is a one world government a long time ago – there are no boundaries and no borders for them and the manipulation of the economy is done geopolitically through the aggravation of small regional conflicts, regional wars where billions and trillions of dollars are spent. So you have a very small nucleus, a group fo people, no one knows their names, no one will ever know their names but they are deep within the center of the core.

HB: Do they have some type of craft?

GS: People often see our own craft. The triangular are built here. Anything which has appendages, landing gears, struts, fins. These type of craft designs are manufactured here on this planet.

HB: Could some of the contacts have been faked by the opposition?

GS: We have set out our own people to scare our own people. It has been done not so much from the opposition although they are involved in that but they delegate to our own minor research and development.

HB: You mentioned there were some negative space people, what are they doing?

GS: Well they are very easy to identify. I´ll give you an example. Many people have heard of the individual called Valiant Thor. When Adamski died in April 1965 at the end of the year there was a knock at our door. My father opens it and there stands Valiant Thor. My father starts laughing. He says I know who you are. You are a misinformation agent from the government. You are not an extraterrestrial at all because I know the ones who are and you are not it. And Thor starts laughing and says yes you are absolutely right. My father said to him you will get absolutely no verification or justification here because we know who you are and you can just turn around and leave. And he did. So you have individuals who are assigned to go out and misinform. The other not so pleasant visitors they also are working some times for our government. We knew one from the CIA. He would come to the Silver Springs house when George passed away and he would come and to my father with a whole pocket full of cash. He says if you give up Adamski I will give you a million dollars right now tax free on any account you want. My father said it is never going to happen. These people are working with our own politicians and government, not necessary aware of them but they are working towards an agenda that is more, shall we say, conducive to what they like to have. We play along very easy because we are susceptible. Not many people would turn down a million dollars in 1965 or ten million now. They come to you and use you for your weaknesses. If you wish power they give you power It you want money or recognition they give it too. There is always a price you will have to pay. So you have to be very aware of who and what you are and the type of people that come. I have seen both groups. I know how to recognize them and my father pointed it out to me and we laughed about it. The opposition does not like to be recognized because they work very hard to be incognito. They don´t like you to know where they are coming from. When you know that you are not susceptible to their games.

HB: Are they coming from a special planet?

GS: They come from two planets in this solar system, where they like to play games. Let us be clear about something. They do not come to harm you physically or mentally. In other words they are not stupid. They are well aware of natural principles and the principle of karma. They are not stupid enough to be resposible for your actions. They want you to make the decisions so they play a game of chess with you, with your mind. Are you going to be weak or are you going to allow yourself to be played with or do you look at them and laugh and say it is not going to happen. You are only in danger by your own willingness to agree. They do not come and hypnotize you or work with your brain. They don´t have too. They have absolutely zero reason to come and abduct you.  

HB: Was it a long time since you met one of the brothers now?

GS: Ten years.

HB: Will they come back?

GS: I have no idea. That is not for me to decide.

HB: Adamski was not the only one contacted? What about Howard Menger, George Van Tassel?

GS: Absolutely not. Some of the other contacts had some legitimate stuff. Some of the embellished a few things and added stories to it to keep current. Of the original contactees you have Van Tassel who had one meeting. You have some other people Truman Bethurum and Buck Nelson, a very simple man, a farmer, who was taken on a ship, two sisters in Norway, the lady in South Africa. So there were a number of others. The difference with Adamski was that he was chosen by them to be their primary ambassador

HB: Did he have a special passport?

GS: I´ve heard that to, no it is amazing how many people throw out claims, Salla does that now. You don´t need a special passport to get on a military base. What you need is a military ID to get to a base. You don´t use a passport. He carried on him a White House pass that allowed him into the White House during the Kennedy administration. He briefed president Eisenhower and he met Eisenhower in 1958 in the desert in California at one of the Air Force bases where one of these craft landed and he introduced them. That story has been twisted as well, that in 1958 Eisenhower made a deal with the extraterrestrials that we would givet hem certain body parts. All this is garbage in order to completely confuse this whole thing. George carried a White House access card and that included a certain amount of security clearance but he was never on a military base by himself but always escorted with official people.

HB: You wrote that he had been six years in Tibet. How could he get to Tibet which was a closed country?

GS: That´s true. How do you think he got there? Who do you think took him?

HB: Well, I guess I know what you imply?

GS: George´s actual story is much more developed and intricate than the public part of it. It was supposed to start earlier but we were in the middle of war. It was decided in the fifties that he was given more information and come out publicly but his personal interaction started already when he was a child.

HB: Was there someone together with him. 

GS: This particular school has nothing to do with Tibetan teachings. At that time there was a space base on the Tibetan plateau. Gordon Cooper took two pictures of space ships when he was orbiting Tibet and it was given to George. This particular space base in only by special invitation.

HB: Did his parents know this?

GS: Absolutely, his mother said take him and go. So he spent those years in Tibet in a school of mastery. He was not the only student there.

HB: Will you write a book yourself?

GS: I am in the process of doing that now. I have chosen the title Can Truth Prevail, and it is going to be the history of my family and myself, our activites and experiences. The more I work on it the more I add to it. Since my mother passed away I´d had a lot of work as far as consolidating the archive. Basically I have archives from Alice Wells, all the things that go back to the 1930s. I have a lot of reviewing and organizing to do.

Alice Wells and Martha Ulrich, September 1965

HB: One last question, did something special happen to George after 1961, when several co-workers left him?

GS: No, Three people left. Lucy McGinnis, Carol Honey and Lou Zinsstag. The reason that Carol Honey left was that he tried to take the copyright from George Adamski. Honey tried to make a problem so George took a lawyer and I have all the paper work and confronted Honey with it before he died. In fact Honey´s archive came to me after he died. Honey and McGinnis had a little private, shall we say, personal thing going on. He encouraged her to take money out of the bank account and leave George. But she was always afterward sorry she did it. The only other one was Lou Zinsstag and George took her out because he felt he could not trust her and she was easily influenced by the opposition.