Every year since 1977 UFO-Sweden has arranged a weekend field investigator seminar, educating and training both new and old ufologists from Sweden and Norway. This event is also a much appreciated social gathering. Since 2013 the seminar has been held at Föllingen Hotel near Kisa, in the middle of Sweden. Every year a guest speaker is invited and on October 20, 2018 some 40 participants could listen to a lecture by Mr. Glenn Steckling, director of the George Adamski Foundation.
Glenn Steckling lecturing at the UFO-Sweden field investigator seminar
Glenn Steckling gave a historical overview of George Adamski and his contact experiences and also his own involvement with the foundation. The facts and views presented were of course very controversial and many questions followed, especially from the new field investigators. Before Gleen´s lecture I gave a short introduction of George Adamski och the problem of investigating contactee cases. Because of the tight time schedule I interviewed Glenn during the car journey from the train
Glenn Steckling and Clas Svahn at UFO-Sweden seminar
Håkan Blomqvist (HB): Could you give some short background of yourself, birth, education, employment?
Glenn Steckling (GS): My family has been involved with the subject since they were in Europé and the children growing up. When my parents emigrated to the U.S. we had a number of sightings in Colorado Springs, Washington D.C. - I was born in 1959 – and over downtown Washington we saw one of these bell-shaped craft hovering and there were about 30 other witnesses.
Together with Glenn at the UFO-Sweden seminar
HB: You saw that too?
GS: Yes, and there was a reporter from the Washington Daily News standing there with us so it was in the newspaper a couple of days later. My father who had witnessed these craft for so many decades went to the Library of Congress and came across Adamski´s books. The telescopic photos were exactly the same type of craft that we´ve seen. My father, in March 1963, wrote to Mr. George Adamski and in June Adamski was coming to Washington to lecture to the Air Force Reserves. We became close friends with George Adamski. We met some of his cosmic contacts and ended up inheriting his materials and after a few years the entire foundation. My father carried it on until his passing in 1991 and then it seemed to me as I had spent a lifetime in this field with observations, sightings and experiences it would be only natural to continue the work being the youngest and the last link to the actual occurences and that makes a big difference.
Fred Steckling on Japan National TV 1977
HB: Do you have the archive at home?
GS: Yes, I have a large storage in the house with vaults and safe where the archives is contained. It includes the original negatives and also what has been collected over years from other people like May Morlet, Alice Wells. Actually we took care of Alice Wells for many years before she died. Every so often some work comes to us.
HB: You met Adamski when you were rather young, any remembrances?
GS: Oh yes, I was six years old. What happened was that when George came to Washington he stayed in Silver Springs and we all stayed with him. My parents and Mrs. Rodeffer would go out and make arrangements for television and radio shows so I spent much of my time with George in the house. There were several circumstances when his space contacts came to the house and made arrangements. I remember sitting with George in the dining room and these two space people came and sat at the table and he said to me sit here and listen and observe what is going on. They looked like anybody else, no any different and we have seen the same people since and the interesting thing is they don´t age very much.
George Adamski with the Steckling family 1964
HB: Are you many board members at the Adamski Foundation?
GS: No basically it stays within the family, me, my sisters and some others, about half a dozen. I am the primary executive officer. I do most of the work
HB: What in your opinion is the strongest evidence that George Adamski told the truth?
GS: There is so much it´s incredible. We have photographic evidence that have been authenticated. We have motion picture evidence that have been authenticated. My father and mother were invited to NASA, the Pentagon and the British House of Lords.
HB: We both know Rene Olsen. What do you think of his analysis of the Adamski photographs?
GS: I think his analysis is very good and I have supplied him with a number of photographs in order for him to clean them up. Olsen did a very good work.
HB: I remember Lucy McGinnis had a sighting herself when Adamski was not present and she saw a craft at very close distance?
GS: Correct, on the Mount Palomar property where they used to live at the base of Mount Palomar there were a number of these craft and one of them landed. Not only Lucy McGinnis but a fellow by the name of Alan Tolman. He was a witness along with many running up the hill towards the craft.
HB: What do you think about greys, abductions. What is behind all this.
GS: In 1961 this field became divergent or went in separate directions. In 1961 after we had a flood of landings on this planet and the forces that control this world became very anxious. This was a psychological manipulation by the forces that use the politics of this world to keep people in a fearful state. The purpose of this type of rumor mongering is to keep the people fearful. All these craft carry a robot. The newer ships have no robots but androids. The androids only have four fingers and they can only do what they are programmed to do. Some of these sightings could be robots or androids.
HB: We talked about the opposition but who are they really?
GS: The opposition or what we call the silence group are individuals of this world and individuals of some others who are responsible for the geopolitical manipulation of the events of this planet. The real people who are manipulating what is going on in this world – there is a one world government a long time ago – there are no boundaries and no borders for them and the manipulation of the economy is done geopolitically through the aggravation of small regional conflicts, regional wars where billions and trillions of dollars are spent. So you have a very small nucleus, a group fo people, no one knows their names, no one will ever know their names but they are deep within the center of the core.
HB: Do they have some type of craft?
GS: People often see our own craft. The triangular are built here. Anything which has appendages, landing gears, struts, fins. These type of craft designs are manufactured here on this planet.
HB: Could some of the contacts have been faked by the opposition?
GS: We have set out our own people to scare our own people. It has been done not so much from the opposition although they are involved in that but they delegate to our own minor research and development.
HB: You mentioned there were some negative space people, what are they doing?
GS: Well they are very easy to identify. I´ll give you an example. Many people have heard of the individual called Valiant Thor. When Adamski died in April 1965 at the end of the year there was a knock at our door. My father opens it and there stands Valiant Thor. My father starts laughing. He says I know who you are. You are a misinformation agent from the government. You are not an extraterrestrial at all because I know the ones who are and you are not it. And Thor starts laughing and says yes you are absolutely right. My father said to him you will get absolutely no verification or justification here because we know who you are and you can just turn around and leave. And he did. So you have individuals who are assigned to go out and misinform. The other not so pleasant visitors they also are working some times for our government. We knew one from the CIA. He would come to the Silver Springs house when George passed away and he would come and to my father with a whole pocket full of cash. He says if you give up Adamski I will give you a million dollars right now tax free on any account you want. My father said it is never going to happen. These people are working with our own politicians and government, not necessary aware of them but they are working towards an agenda that is more, shall we say, conducive to what they like to have. We play along very easy because we are susceptible. Not many people would turn down a million dollars in 1965 or ten million now. They come to you and use you for your weaknesses. If you wish power they give you power It you want money or recognition they give it too. There is always a price you will have to pay. So you have to be very aware of who and what you are and the type of people that come. I have seen both groups. I know how to recognize them and my father pointed it out to me and we laughed about it. The opposition does not like to be recognized because they work very hard to be incognito. They don´t like you to know where they are coming from. When you know that you are not susceptible to their games.
HB: Are they coming from a special planet?
GS: They come from two planets in this solar system, where they like to play games. Let us be clear about something. They do not come to harm you physically or mentally. In other words they are not stupid. They are well aware of natural principles and the principle of karma. They are not stupid enough to be resposible for your actions. They want you to make the decisions so they play a game of chess with you, with your mind. Are you going to be weak or are you going to allow yourself to be played with or do you look at them and laugh and say it is not going to happen. You are only in danger by your own willingness to agree. They do not come and hypnotize you or work with your brain. They don´t have too. They have absolutely zero reason to come and abduct you.
HB: Was it a long time since you met one of the brothers now?
GS: Ten years.
HB: Will they come back?
GS: I have no idea. That is not for me to decide.
HB: Adamski was not the only one contacted? What about Howard Menger, George Van Tassel?
GS: Absolutely not. Some of the other contacts had some legitimate stuff. Some of the embellished a few things and added stories to it to keep current. Of the original contactees you have Van Tassel who had one meeting. You have some other people Truman Bethurum and Buck Nelson, a very simple man, a farmer, who was taken on a ship, two sisters in Norway, the lady in South Africa. So there were a number of others. The difference with Adamski was that he was chosen by them to be their primary ambassador
HB: Did he have a special passport?
GS: I´ve heard that to, no it is amazing how many people throw out claims, Salla does that now. You don´t need a special passport to get on a military base. What you need is a military ID to get to a base. You don´t use a passport. He carried on him a White House pass that allowed him into the White House during the Kennedy administration. He briefed president Eisenhower and he met Eisenhower in 1958 in the desert in California at one of the Air Force bases where one of these craft landed and he introduced them. That story has been twisted as well, that in 1958 Eisenhower made a deal with the extraterrestrials that we would givet hem certain body parts. All this is garbage in order to completely confuse this whole thing. George carried a White House access card and that included a certain amount of security clearance but he was never on a military base by himself but always escorted with official people.
HB: You wrote that he had been six years in Tibet. How could he get to Tibet which was a closed country?
GS: That´s true. How do you think he got there? Who do you think took him?
HB: Well, I guess I know what you imply?
GS: George´s actual story is much more developed and intricate than the public part of it. It was supposed to start earlier but we were in the middle of war. It was decided in the fifties that he was given more information and come out publicly but his personal interaction started already when he was a child.
HB: Was there someone together with him.
GS: This particular school has nothing to do with Tibetan teachings. At that time there was a space base on the Tibetan plateau. Gordon Cooper took two pictures of space ships when he was orbiting Tibet and it was given to George. This particular space base in only by special invitation.
HB: Did his parents know this?
GS: Absolutely, his mother said take him and go. So he spent those years in Tibet in a school of mastery. He was not the only student there.
HB: Will you write a book yourself?
GS: I am in the process of doing that now. I have chosen the title Can Truth Prevail, and it is going to be the history of my family and myself, our activites and experiences. The more I work on it the more I add to it. Since my mother passed away I´d had a lot of work as far as consolidating the archive. Basically I have archives from Alice Wells, all the things that go back to the 1930s. I have a lot of reviewing and organizing to do.
Alice Wells and Martha Ulrich, September 1965
HB: One last question, did something special happen to George after 1961, when several co-workers left him?
GS: No, Three people left. Lucy McGinnis, Carol Honey and Lou Zinsstag. The reason that Carol Honey left was that he tried to take the copyright from George Adamski. Honey tried to make a problem so George took a lawyer and I have all the paper work and confronted Honey with it before he died. In fact Honey´s archive came to me after he died. Honey and McGinnis had a little private, shall we say, personal thing going on. He encouraged her to take money out of the bank account and leave George. But she was always afterward sorry she did it. The only other one was Lou Zinsstag and George took her out because he felt he could not trust her and she was easily influenced by the opposition.